I have a 06 R6 and I can pop it up a few feet in first and 2nd and power up in first and occasionally get it up in 3rd with a bounch workin on that still. Just wondering how to get it all the way up to the bp. I cant ride them out and I have been practicing for 2 months what am i doing wrong.. I posted a diff thread because the 06 is deff in a class of its own when it comes to wheelies with the power band and all.
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wheelies in general will get you hurt. Everytime i even think of learning how to wheelie i just youtube "wheelie crash" and my thoughts go away. I have yet to meet some1 who didnt wreck while wheeling, its bound to happen. Do you wanna see your 9k bike slide on pavement? Not to sound bitter but alot of the people trying to learn how to wheelie don't think about the many different possible outcomes besides reaching bp
No matter how good you get at wheelies, the unforseen can always screw you over.... i'd never had a problem doing over 1k standups on my r6. Then, i did.
Just wear your gear when you're doing them at speed, road rash sucks (from what i hear, i never got it)
Just wear your gear when you're doing them at speed, road rash sucks (from what i hear, i never got it)
I have never crashed while doing a wheelie also..... but I did read this before I started...maybe thats why???????
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For a wheelie to occur, torque must be applied to the bike such that it rotates around the rear axle, the speed at which the bike accelerates around the axle being determined by the amount of torque applied.
Figure 1
Torque is defined as mass x distance. Figure 1 shows the torque derived from gravity and acceleration acting on the mass of the bike. The diagram shows the center of gravity (CoG) of the bike which we'll use to pinpoint the bike's mass. Note that this looks higher than it should - what's missing from the diagram is the mass of the rider. Regardless, the principles remain the same wherever the actual CoG should be.
Fg is the force asserted by the bike's mass as a result of gravity. The torque - Tg - around the rear axle that this produces is Fg x Dg where Dg is the distance from the axle at which the force acts.
Fa is the force asserted by the bike's mass as a result of acceleration. The torque - Ta - that this produces is Fa x Da.
Fe is the effective force that results when Fg and Fa are combined. De is the distance from the rear axle at which this force is applied, so the resultant effective torque - Te - is Fe x De.
Put another way:
(Fe x De) = (Fa x Da) - (Fg x Dg)
or:
Te = Ta - Tg
Animated figure
In Figure 1 the effective torque around the rear axle is torwards the front, so the net effect is to keep the front wheel on the ground. Figure 2 shows the situation if the bike accelerates harder which, in turn, increases Fa and, hence, Ta.
In Figure 2 the effective torque around the rear axle is towards the rear so the front wheel will lift. But this isn't the end of it:
Figure 3 shows the situation a short while later with the bike doing a small wheelie. The bike's acceleration is kept the same as in Figure 2, but now the rotation of the bike has reduced the torque due to gravity and, at the same time, the torque due to acceleration has increased. The net effect is that the effective torque around the rear axle has increased by a large amount, thus increasing the rate at which the bike wheelies. This positive feedback means that, unless the bike's acceleration is quickly reduced, the wheelie will rapidly get to the point where recovery is not possible.
Engine power, per se, is not a significant factor in wheelies. Let's be pessimistic and suggest that the torque due to gravity acting on the CoG is a mere 150kg/m. A reasonably powerful 1200cc bike might produce 70lb/ft or torque, which sounds a lot but translates to 9.7kg/m. Enough to get the suspension working is all it amounts to.
Where engine power is important is in its ability to accelerate the bike. On smaller bikes the sustainable acceleration isn't sufficient to apply enough torque to lift the front wheel. However, using tricks such as 'dipping' the clutch or tugging on the handlebars, a brief burst of extra torque can be applied for a short time. This extra torque is not sustainable but, as we can see above, once the CoG has moved up and back a much lower torque (that is, acceleration) is required to sustain a wheelie.
That should clear up all the confusion :thumbup
For a wheelie to occur, torque must be applied to the bike such that it rotates around the rear axle, the speed at which the bike accelerates around the axle being determined by the amount of torque applied.
Figure 1
Torque is defined as mass x distance. Figure 1 shows the torque derived from gravity and acceleration acting on the mass of the bike. The diagram shows the center of gravity (CoG) of the bike which we'll use to pinpoint the bike's mass. Note that this looks higher than it should - what's missing from the diagram is the mass of the rider. Regardless, the principles remain the same wherever the actual CoG should be.
Fg is the force asserted by the bike's mass as a result of gravity. The torque - Tg - around the rear axle that this produces is Fg x Dg where Dg is the distance from the axle at which the force acts.
Fa is the force asserted by the bike's mass as a result of acceleration. The torque - Ta - that this produces is Fa x Da.
Fe is the effective force that results when Fg and Fa are combined. De is the distance from the rear axle at which this force is applied, so the resultant effective torque - Te - is Fe x De.
Put another way:
(Fe x De) = (Fa x Da) - (Fg x Dg)
or:
Te = Ta - Tg
Animated figure
In Figure 1 the effective torque around the rear axle is torwards the front, so the net effect is to keep the front wheel on the ground. Figure 2 shows the situation if the bike accelerates harder which, in turn, increases Fa and, hence, Ta.
In Figure 2 the effective torque around the rear axle is towards the rear so the front wheel will lift. But this isn't the end of it:
Figure 3 shows the situation a short while later with the bike doing a small wheelie. The bike's acceleration is kept the same as in Figure 2, but now the rotation of the bike has reduced the torque due to gravity and, at the same time, the torque due to acceleration has increased. The net effect is that the effective torque around the rear axle has increased by a large amount, thus increasing the rate at which the bike wheelies. This positive feedback means that, unless the bike's acceleration is quickly reduced, the wheelie will rapidly get to the point where recovery is not possible.
Engine power, per se, is not a significant factor in wheelies. Let's be pessimistic and suggest that the torque due to gravity acting on the CoG is a mere 150kg/m. A reasonably powerful 1200cc bike might produce 70lb/ft or torque, which sounds a lot but translates to 9.7kg/m. Enough to get the suspension working is all it amounts to.
Where engine power is important is in its ability to accelerate the bike. On smaller bikes the sustainable acceleration isn't sufficient to apply enough torque to lift the front wheel. However, using tricks such as 'dipping' the clutch or tugging on the handlebars, a brief burst of extra torque can be applied for a short time. This extra torque is not sustainable but, as we can see above, once the CoG has moved up and back a much lower torque (that is, acceleration) is required to sustain a wheelie.
That should clear up all the confusion :thumbup
lol...i don't see why people say bouncing wheelies will get you hurt...i can clutch and bounce the 6 to bp and bouncing is sooo much easier for me
but patience is the best thing. it takes practice...it probably took me 3 or 4 months to get the bp in every wheelie and be able to ride it as long as i want
but patience is the best thing. it takes practice...it probably took me 3 or 4 months to get the bp in every wheelie and be able to ride it as long as i want
i rode my buddies 06 and it was WAY different than my 05. I can slip the clutch on stock gearing anywhere in 1st and 2nd gear and no problem it hops right up...his it seems i have to rev the fu<k out of it and then slip the clutch to pull the front high enough so sustain any type of wheelie.
cause i've seen to many guys break down and cry like lil bitches when they drop their bran new bike trying to show off. Don't get me wrong i have nothing against wheelies or stunting in general, i just think people don't realize the "otherside" of stunting. You know....the of fuck im in the hospitol can't afford my bills side.zeus_r6 said:
Anybody that stunts knows the risk.
You guys keep bringing your wheeliecrying in here and actual stunters don't even want to post here anymore since every other reply is "where's your gear" or "hope you don't crash" type garbage.
Take your worried comments into the the "crashing" section where you belong.
You guys keep bringing your wheeliecrying in here and actual stunters don't even want to post here anymore since every other reply is "where's your gear" or "hope you don't crash" type garbage.
Take your worried comments into the the "crashing" section where you belong.
i never crashed once trying to learn how to ride a wheelie...i didnt start crashing untill i started learning circles...oh yeah and i crashed a frog wheelie because i had brand new pads and apparently they wasnt broke in yet.
but yeah if your scared to crash dont even ride a bike because most likely on 1 or 2 wheel's it will happen.
but yeah if your scared to crash dont even ride a bike because most likely on 1 or 2 wheel's it will happen.
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