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From Planet-F1.com.

Seems the Flav is less than impressed with Rossi's tests thus far....

Flavio Briatore says he is not sure that MotoGP Champion Valentino Rossi is really capable of successfully changing to Formula One.

The Renault team boss went as far to suggest that it was luck, rather than good driving that helped Rossi set some good times during a recent testing session with Ferrari.

”It's like when you go to a casino, the first night you might win, but then there's the second night and then the third.”

“The world is full of people who can drive fast once.”

The 26 year-old Rossi is expected to join F1 in the not to distant future and is tipped to achieve great things in the sport. Briatore agrees that the idea of a successful Rossi would be very appealing to F1 but says the reality could be very different.

”A competitive Rossi would be great for F1, but I don't know whether he really is fast.” Briatire said to the Italian 'ANSA' agency.

Rossi has often said in the past that he is sure he could adapt to F1 racing but Briatore believes he would need at least a year testing for a F1 team before he is really ready.

”If he really wants to move into F1, he should spend a year as a test driver. Working in this sport is a serious, dangerous business.”
 

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Wow that seems like just the kind of fire to not light under Val's ass. I wouldn't be challenging a guy like him if I was Flav.

”If he really wants to move into F1, he should spend a year as a test driver. Working in this sport is a serious, dangerous business.”
And what MotoGP isn't? Ummmm I'd say being on top of a 250HP bike could be a bit serious and dangerous.....:wink
 

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Well, open wheel kart racing was Rossi's first love when he was young and growing up. F1 is just a monster version of it. He competed in local kart racing and mini bike leagues but he did better on bikes then. He wanted to up his kart game but money prevented him to continue. Now that he has a chance for the ultimate kart racing, I am thinking that Rossi is seriously considering F1.
 

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just curious, who thinks it takes more skill to drive an F1 car than a MotoGP bike? vice versa?

I think it's one of those cases of comparing apples to oranges.
I've driven Formula Fords and raced my R6 in CCS races. Niether is Formula 1 or MotoGP, but you get the the idea of the paralell I'm making here.
I found each to be equally challenging yet completely different.
 

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Agree about the apples and oranges Luna.

Lets face it, how many racers in history have ever successfully competed at the pinnacle of multiple diciplines (sp) ?

Mike Hailwood.........maybe?

Anyone else remember Eddie Lawson's foray into CART?

Hell and I want Rossi to succeed!! But fear the cards may be stacked against him...
 

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Hell and I want Rossi to succeed!! But fear the cards may be stacked against him...
Indeed. I have to give him props though for always looking for a more difficult challenge. (Difficult for him, not pertaining to the difficulty of either sport)

If you do that, eventually you will fail, i.e. not succeed beyond expectations, like he did in 2004 with Yamaha.
 

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Luna said:
I think it's one of those cases of comparing apples to oranges.
I've driven Formula Fords and raced my R6 in CCS races. Niether is Formula 1 or MotoGP, but you get the the idea of the paralell I'm making here.
I found each to be equally challenging yet completely different.
Ah finally someone said it.

Just because you are a god in one sport doesn't mean you are going to be even remotely good in another. On the surface the two seem similar, the idea is to go as fast as possible, but everything else has got to be different. Yeah rossi can ride a bike well, but that doesn't mean he can drive a car well. The braking points are different, steering different, acceleration different, developing the car, giving the proper feedback, machine setup, etc.

Plus he would race against people who have been driving cars like these for their entire lives whereas he has only test driven one a handful of times.

I'm not saying he can't do it, but the fact that he can't hop in the seat and match Schummi doesn't surprise me.
 

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Didn't Rossi just win something in a WRC Subaru, edging out McRae? Now I personally consider rallying right among the pinnacle of difficulty for 4 wheelers, doesn't this show Vale can drive pretty damn well?

Although motorcycles are very different from cars, some fundamentals, like the ability to gauge traction and bring the tires right to the edge of their ability is common. In fact, motorcyclists need to develope this to a much keener sense. F1 drivers may find that they have much to learn regarding the subtleties of weight transfer (G forces in a turn) and smooth transition compared to top motocycle racers, they have traditionally depended way too much on computers and aerodynamics. Rossi may be lacking in some F1 specific fundamentals, but he brings along his motorcycle bag of tricks. He has performed excellent at Ferrari's test track so far despite being not much more than a weekend racer.
 

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I'd imagine differences are big from car type to car type. You'd probably have to adapt drastically from a stock car racing technique to an Indy car technique (let alone from off-road to road to F1).

I think the Renault guy is spot on. You're going against people who've probably spent their entire lives learning a specific style of driving. In comparison, Vale will at minimum need a year of continual driving (a la test driver) to learn the style and unlearn his habits of motorcycle racing (timing your braking and acceleration). Even if he does it in this small amount of time that'd still be amazing. I gotta go with the experts on this one.

But I'd still like to see him do it "fur shur"
 

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Lets face it, how many racers in history have ever successfully competed at the pinnacle of multiple diciplines (sp) ?
The answer to that is John Surtees, Won both the world championships in F1 & Bikes :thumbup And he's british :thumbup
 

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Thank you fractureman! I knew I was wrong when I mentioned Mike Hailwood.

Yes John Surtees is the only world champion in both diciplines. And again it is apples and oranges as we are talking different eras of motorsport.

Here's a little write-up on Surtees for those unfamiliar with him.

JOHN SURTEES


And so as to not jack my own thread, I am on record saying how much I would love to see Rossi come to F1 and blow the wings off the competition, I just can't see it happening immediately (ie in the first year)
 

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AFC said:
Agree about the apples and oranges Luna.

Lets face it, how many racers in history have ever successfully competed at the pinnacle of multiple diciplines (sp) ?

Mike Hailwood.........maybe?

Anyone else remember Eddie Lawson's foray into CART?

Hell and I want Rossi to succeed!! But fear the cards may be stacked against him...
Don't forget about John Surtees. He is a true legend that achieved world championships on both 2 wheels and 4. he never really has gotten the recognition he deserves.

edit: oops! didn't read all the posts. should've read them before i posted!
 

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unlearn his habits of motorcycle racing (timing your braking and acceleration).
Even in car racing you have to hit brake markers, turn in points, acceleration points, hit apexs, etc. etc... that part of racing is similar across all spectrums.

Yes, the marks will be different, but you still have to use them. After driving a car for a while, he will be fine with these aspects because he will have gotten used to the timing...
 

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In my opinion, there is very little chance that he would be as good in F1 as in motogp. He might be very good, and very competitive, but there is no way he will dominate F1 like he dominates motogp right now.

would be nice to see some competition for #1 in motogp though (if he leaves), but we will just have to deal with the fact that hondas will start to own all the yamahas out there when he leaves.

Colin Edwards is our only hope.
 
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