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Factory Pro Superflare Stacks
Anybody try the Factory Pro Superflare Velocity stacks?
Supposedly they help smooth things out and beef up midrange and upper-midrange power.
I am interested in these for my 2005 R6, but would love to hear input from people other than the factory pro people. My goal is to smooth out the bike's throttle response as much as possible and hopefully boost midrange grunt a bit in the process. I know I can only expect a small increase in power through the mids, so I don't have my hopes up or anything.
The other part of my goal is that I need to avoid having a power commander as I just sold mine. Factory Pro seems to get good results with just the superflare stacks and no FI tuning (see their site... new gixxers and R1 are examples) so I am hopeful that since my bike is otherwise stock that these could meet my goals.
Anyway, any input is appreciated. By the way, if somone from Factory Pro reads this, feel free to write me.
Thanks!
Supposedly they help smooth things out and beef up midrange and upper-midrange power.
I am interested in these for my 2005 R6, but would love to hear input from people other than the factory pro people. My goal is to smooth out the bike's throttle response as much as possible and hopefully boost midrange grunt a bit in the process. I know I can only expect a small increase in power through the mids, so I don't have my hopes up or anything.
The other part of my goal is that I need to avoid having a power commander as I just sold mine. Factory Pro seems to get good results with just the superflare stacks and no FI tuning (see their site... new gixxers and R1 are examples) so I am hopeful that since my bike is otherwise stock that these could meet my goals.
Anyway, any input is appreciated. By the way, if somone from Factory Pro reads this, feel free to write me.
Thanks!
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so no one has tried these at all or has any input on Superflare Stacks??
Why would you sell your power commander? If you researched it then dont be afraid to pioneer that shit, I personally don't know enough about them to give you an educated opinion, but if they are supposed to then im guessing they probably do, tell us what the down sides are after you get em.
I sold the PCIII cuz I got rid of my other stuff that I thought required me to have it.... turns out that I don't like aftermarket exhausts and a PCIII on its own makes only a tiny bit of difference on a 2005 and costs me more than I want in terms of fuel economy. So I got rid of it.blackonwhite99r6 said:Why would you sell your power commander? If you researched it then dont be afraid to pioneer that shit, I personally don't know enough about them to give you an educated opinion, but if they are supposed to then im guessing they probably do, tell us what the down sides are after you get em.
I may have to pioneer this shit, but I have been asking Factory Pro questions about it and it always takes them a while to get back to me with the info I want.
They haven't even posted a dyno curve of this mod on a 2005 R6 on their site... they just have one for their regular V-stacks which they say are quite inferior to these Superflare ones that Marc Salvisburg developed.
So I am stuck unless Factory Pro gets back to me.
well, if they say they are a lot better and they are something you have the money for and want....I say you hit it up......Seems like nobody on this board can give you any feedback regarding the stacks so maybe you should just try em out.
I did a dyno run on pump gas 93, bmc race air filter,superflare stacks,m4 full...=106HP. I was there to get a custom map but my PCIII appears to be defective or at least that is what the tuner states. I sent the PCIII back to dyno jet just waiting to get the results. He showed me another graph of a 05 r6 that put out 109HP that was after his dyno tuning. Not exactly sure what other mods his bike had but I know it did not have the superlflare stacks.....EVen though I was only 3hp down up top.....his bike had mine bike like 8HP from 9k all the way untill the very top.......The tuner does not seem to be real optomistic about the superflare stacks......but, we will see when I get the PCIII and get the custom map....I have a 05 r6! Too bad I already threw the stock stacks in the trash!!! LOL
Interesting... my guess is that it is a custom map issue. I bet if your PCIII would have worked, you would have made it happen.twinn-burner said:I did a dyno run on pump gas 93, bmc race air filter,superflare stacks,m4 full...=106HP. I was there to get a custom map but my PCIII appears to be defective or at least that is what the tuner states. I sent the PCIII back to dyno jet just waiting to get the results. He showed me another graph of a 05 r6 that put out 109HP that was after his dyno tuning. Not exactly sure what other mods his bike had but I know it did not have the superlflare stacks.....EVen though I was only 3hp down up top.....his bike had mine bike like 8HP from 9k all the way untill the very top.......The tuner does not seem to be real optomistic about the superflare stacks......but, we will see when I get the PCIII and get the custom map....I have a 05 r6! Too bad I already threw the stock stacks in the trash!!! LOL
That is what I am worried about, though... you see on Factory Pro's site that you gain upper midrange power on pretty much any bike WITHOUT FI TUNING using the SuperFlare Stacks, but I bet the R6 is the only bike where they will be like "yeah, you need FI tuning."
I remember SportRider testing the Superflare Stacks on the R1 on a dyno and they reported a beefed up midrange and upper midrange but they lost 1 or 2 peak horsepower (although the bike held more power through the over-rev range than the stocker). I might settle for this on my R6 as, more than anything else, I ride on the street. I see it as possibly a small sacrifice of top end for a good amount of real-world power and smoothness. But who knows because it is so hard to get info on this product for the 2005 R6.
I just want to get my bike running as smooth as possible and to get it to be as smooth as possible in terms of throttle response, etc. I have been really diligent on maintenance, but I feel like something is being left in the bag here.
If you want smooth throttle response, do an ignition advance and slide stops. But with the slide stops, you WILL need a PCIII, and probably a custom map to get it really right. And if you're going to do all that, you might as well go with a BMC filter and the Superflare stacks as well. At least, that's what I did, and MAN what a difference.
Well, since my PCIII is gone, do you think it would add much to my smoothness and throttle response if I did just an ignition advance? What if I did the superflare stacks and an ignition advance.... would that improve my smoothness and throttle response on my 2005??CephasGT said:If you want smooth throttle response, do an ignition advance and slide stops. But with the slide stops, you WILL need a PCIII, and probably a custom map to get it really right. And if you're going to do all that, you might as well go with a BMC filter and the Superflare stacks as well. At least, that's what I did, and MAN what a difference.
Keep in mind, no FI tuning for me.
If you're not going to do any tuning, you may as well not do the mods at all. Make sure your chain slack is set right and concentrate on throttle control, and leave the bike stock. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but some of this stuff is only going to go badly if you do it half-way.
As for smooth throttle response, I have to say the best mod I did was the Slide Stops, but you definitely have to have a PCIII for that.
As for smooth throttle response, I have to say the best mod I did was the Slide Stops, but you definitely have to have a PCIII for that.
I was under the idea that the ignition advancer didn't require a tune... is that not correct?CephasGT said:If you're not going to do any tuning, you may as well not do the mods at all. Make sure your chain slack is set right and concentrate on throttle control, and leave the bike stock. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but some of this stuff is only going to go badly if you do it half-way.
As for smooth throttle response, I have to say the best mod I did was the Slide Stops, but you definitely have to have a PCIII for that.
By the way, did the advancer improve your fuel economy?
I put superflare vstacks, bmc race filter, slip on jardine exhaust, slide stops and a pc3 with a custom map its at 110 hp right now on a 05 r6 but the map still needs some tweaking i work at a motorcycle shop with a dyno so he does a lil bit at a time when i find dead spots so im hoping for 111 to 112 hp with the rest of tweaking
how's your fuel economy in the city? Is your PCIII map much richer than a "zero map"?brandonncr6 said:I put superflare vstacks, bmc race filter, slip on jardine exhaust, slide stops and a pc3 with a custom map its at 110 hp right now on a 05 r6 but the map still needs some tweaking i work at a motorcycle shop with a dyno so he does a lil bit at a time when i find dead spots so im hoping for 111 to 112 hp with the rest of tweaking
The ignition advance, as far as I know, doesn't HAVE to have a custom map. I don't know if it increased my fuel economy, since I did several other mods at the same time, but it definitely helped throttle response considerably.
ok bro you need to man up and accept the fact you shouldnt have ever got rid of your pc3 and youll need to buy one soon enough. like any tuner here your gonna spend dollar after dollar to squeeze out every ounce of power. but you seriously think your feel the diff between 1-2hp esp wo a pc3 with or wo a custom map?! cmon dude! go buy a suzuki haha! no really hit up your bike with a dose of v-stack, ign adv and bmc race filter (and dont worry about a pc3!). but by all means do yourself a favor and buy the pc3, you know you want to.
I was going for the stacks and advance, but I thought the BMC race filter needed a PCIII for sure... was I wrong on that one?hesaves0211 said:ok bro you need to man up and accept the fact you shouldnt have ever got rid of your pc3 and youll need to buy one soon enough. like any tuner here your gonna spend dollar after dollar to squeeze out every ounce of power. but you seriously think your feel the diff between 1-2hp esp wo a pc3 with or wo a custom map?! cmon dude! go buy a suzuki haha! no really hit up your bike with a dose of v-stack, ign adv and bmc race filter (and dont worry about a pc3!). but by all means do yourself a favor and buy the pc3, you know you want to.
Mmm, probably not. The BMC filter flows a LOT better than the stock one... But the stock map is rich anyway, so you might be alright, I don't know.
Yeah, that's what I figured... I am iffy on that one too.CephasGT said:Mmm, probably not. The BMC filter flows a LOT better than the stock one... But the stock map is rich anyway, so you might be alright, I don't know.
with all the mods i done i still get pretty good fuel economy but i set my bike up a lil rich because it got more power. with all the stuff i done my bike would not idle hardly and run like crap so i had to have a custom map it made 8 hp diff with what i had installed cuz it would fall on its face it was so lean
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