anyone?
anyone install an 03 tranny in a first gen?
i need to know if anyone has any experience with installing an 03 tranny into a 99-02. thanks
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If you plan swappin an 03 into an 02, WHY???????:hyper
Either way you are pullin the motor out and seperating the cases. So why not just get the correct parts for what you have and save yourself the headaches.
Just make sure you inspect the shift drum for proper clearances and movement.
Either way you are pullin the motor out and seperating the cases. So why not just get the correct parts for what you have and save yourself the headaches.
Just make sure you inspect the shift drum for proper clearances and movement.
well apparently the 99-02 trannys have a weak link, the 2nd gear having too little dogs. the problem was fixed in 03. ive read on here that you can put an 03 2nd gear in the earlier style, you just have to use the whole tranny. also, you dont have to seperate the cases from what im aware of. it has been said you need to but there is a right up of someone pulling out his gears in an 99-02 style and replacing his worn 2nd gear with a new one.
http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69265&highlight=02+to+03+clutch+basket
Part of your answer is in this post. It appears the input and output shaft spacing and sizes are the same, otherwise the clutch basket wouldn't have worked. I believe the front sprockets are the same between years too.
Also, no matter what parts you use, if you want to repair or replace the trans. you need to split the cases.
Part of your answer is in this post. It appears the input and output shaft spacing and sizes are the same, otherwise the clutch basket wouldn't have worked. I believe the front sprockets are the same between years too.
Also, no matter what parts you use, if you want to repair or replace the trans. you need to split the cases.
i went to the yamaha dealer in seneca, sc today to get a new front tire. while i was there i asked them about the tranny issue and they were just totally out of teh clue. i told them about the problem with the digs and all and they just acted lik ei didnt know hwat the hell i was talking about. they quoted me $878 in labor to fix, and kept saying the cases have to be seperated but i kept trying to tell them they didnt have to be. to top it off, when i got home i realized the dumbasses had put my tire on backwards. it was too ate to call them back, but theyll be hearing from me tomorrow
YOU DO NEED TO SPLIT THE CASE to replace the gears, there is no other way to get to them out.aws140 said:i went to the yamaha dealer in seneca, sc today to get a new front tire. while i was there i asked them about the tranny issue and they were just totally out of teh clue. i told them about the problem with the digs and all and they just acted lik ei didnt know hwat the hell i was talking about. they quoted me $878 in labor to fix, and kept saying the cases have to be seperated but i kept trying to tell them they didnt have to be. to top it off, when i got home i realized the dumbasses had put my tire on backwards. it was too ate to call them back, but theyll be hearing from me tomorrow
The tranny issue isnt as wide spread as the internet would lead you believe, it only happens if you grind the gears. And its gear dogs, not digs.
They probably looked at you like you didnt know what you were talking about because you most likely thats what you sounded like.
well in the how to in the how to section the 2nd gear in replaced without splitting the case. there are pictures to prove it. digs was a typing error, i said dogs when i was talking to them. im just going to talk to local shops and see what they say. i just dont want to buy an 03 tranny and it not work. thats why im trying to find some info on here about it but i have had no help with itD duck said:YOU DO NEED TO SPLIT THE CASE to replace the gears, there is no other way to get to them out.
The tranny issue isnt as wide spread as the internet would lead you believe, it only happens if you grind the gears. And its gear dogs, not digs.
They probably looked at you like you didnt know what you were talking about because you most likely thats what you sounded like.
http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82595
theres a link to the how to
You might want to re-read the how to...aws140 said:well in the how to in the how to section the 2nd gear in replaced without splitting the case. there are pictures to prove it. digs was a typing error, i said dogs when i was talking to them. im just going to talk to local shops and see what they say. i just dont want to buy an 03 tranny and it not work. thats why im trying to find some info on here about it but i have had no help with it
http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82595
theres a link to the how to
Now it is time to separate the men from the boys. The next step will be to remove the lower engine cover. Remove the metal radiator hose from the front of the engine, you should be able to see that it will get in the way once you start to separate the lower engine half. Double check to make sure that all the covers and parts on the engine will break away freely once the lower cover is removed. Remove the oil strainer thingy, the oil pickup line, the C-shaped oil hose, oil pump strocket cover, and the oil pump. Most of these are easy, for the oil pump I had to stick an allen wrench into the bolt hole and twist the dowel out so that I could detach the chain from the sprocket. Sorry I was too dirty to get pictures of this...but is self explainitory.
Having done the job quite a few times, I can guarantee that the cases need to be split.
$900.00 sounds about right for a shop to do the job.
$900.00 sounds about right for a shop to do the job.
I helped someone replace the gears in his tranny to fix the 2nd gear issue and I can tell you that the cases need to be split.aws140 said:well in the how to in the how to section the 2nd gear in replaced without splitting the case. there are pictures to prove it. digs was a typing error, i said dogs when i was talking to them. im just going to talk to local shops and see what they say. i just dont want to buy an 03 tranny and it not work. thats why im trying to find some info on here about it but i have had no help with it
http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82595
theres a link to the how to
You can always just buy the right parts and not grind when doing that 1st to 2nd shift.
Or be a pioneer and just go for it. If my bike ever starts to slip out of second Im just going to buy the appropriate gears and see if it will work.
I dont think you need the whole tranny just all the gears on either the input or output shaft.
well this would be the first time ive ever been insdie a tranny. to complicate things more, im a very big newbie when it comes to bikes. im a car guy that got dragged into bikes when i drove a friends. ive thought about just using the stock gears, but how am i supposed to keep it from griding when going from first to second? stay out of the high rpms in first?(i dont do that anyways, just checking) its so bad now sometimes when i start off from a stop and go to shift into second itll go to neutral.
a tranny is a tranny, the only difference is that this is sequential and has a shift drum which dosent really affect how the gears work. There really is no difference working on a car or a bike, i never understood why people always think that.
Adjust the shift rod so that when you shift you do it with more authority, ensure the clutch is fully disengaged untill its in 2nd. Honestly I dont have any problems with my bike shifting into 2nd at higher RPM's but I make sure I shift like I mean it.
Adjust the shift rod so that when you shift you do it with more authority, ensure the clutch is fully disengaged untill its in 2nd. Honestly I dont have any problems with my bike shifting into 2nd at higher RPM's but I make sure I shift like I mean it.
Can't you undercut either the gear or the dogs (using 02 parts) to prevent another tranny issue?
It dosent prevent the issue, but it does help.elusive said:Can't you undercut either the gear or the dogs (using 02 parts) to prevent another tranny issue?
Undercutting allows the gears to more positively lock together preventing them from disengaging under load. However if you keep grinding the gears they will just pop out again later on since you will round off the dogs again.
well, i know it can be fixed with 99-02 parts. thats 100% certain. the only thing i dont like about that approach is the fact it can resurface around 10K down the road.
with the 03 gears i dont even know if its possible. ive read it is, but im not sure. if you were able to use the 03 parts you wouldnt have to worry anymore.
the easiest solution would be using the 99-02 parts and not grind when shifting from 1st to second. i drove around all day today and 2nd gear is just horrible. it grinds almost everytime i shift into it. i try shifting slow, i try everything, it still grinds
with the 03 gears i dont even know if its possible. ive read it is, but im not sure. if you were able to use the 03 parts you wouldnt have to worry anymore.
the easiest solution would be using the 99-02 parts and not grind when shifting from 1st to second. i drove around all day today and 2nd gear is just horrible. it grinds almost everytime i shift into it. i try shifting slow, i try everything, it still grinds
Are you pre-loading the shifter right before you shift? Maybe try going with full synthitic oil if you're not already.
My other suggestion would be to spend $30 from ussportbikes and get a GP shift rod, that'll help your 1st to 2nd shifts.
My other suggestion would be to spend $30 from ussportbikes and get a GP shift rod, that'll help your 1st to 2nd shifts.
ok ive looked at the GP shift rod. a very inexpensive mod. i was just wondering what the point of it is? i mean i know it reverses the way you shift, but are there any benefits from this?
It'll allowed you to make the 1st to 2nd shift by putting pressure down on the shift lever instead of up. I guess you can still grind it into gear with the GP shift pattern if you baby it in, but you should be less likely to....
Also, you should be pre-loading the shifter right before you make that 1st to 2nd shift.
Also, you should be pre-loading the shifter right before you make that 1st to 2nd shift.
i wouldnt have a problem using the GP shift mod, but doesnt it become a hassle when on long rides having your foot over the lever rather than bellow it? so it just helps prevent gringing? thats it? does is pretty much eliminate it? im just trying to justify with myself totally changing the shift pattern so ill buy the shift rod.
preload, you mean just squeeze the clutch in a little before you pull it in to shift?
preload, you mean just squeeze the clutch in a little before you pull it in to shift?
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