Captain making example out of my roomate

[Bubbagimp]

My roomate got picked up for DUI St. Patties day. He blew a 0.12 We've had a few too many alcohol related incidents lately and I found out we are holding an open mast (NJP) with my buddy. So on top of the civilian fines/punishments he has to face the command with whatever comes his way. I'm guessing the minimum is busted down to E-4, restriction and half months pay for two months. That's the typical punishment out captain hands out. If it truly is an example, he may face losing his NEC or getting the boot altogether. I can't afford the apartment if it comes to that.

Sad thing is, this isn't the first time he's drivin like this. I've warned him many times about this shit and we agreed that if he gets a DUI I get to punch him in the face. It was said in jest, but I'm gonna hold him up to his end of the bargain. He even gave a ride home to another friend in the barracks, but they were doing breathalysers at the gate. So he dropped him off outside base and the buddy walked in. So he knew he shouldn't have been driving. I'm fucking furious. Now the CO brings in all the E-7 & Above along with all the officers and states, "I want a policy in place by the end of the week to prevent ALL DUI's." Not sure what's going to come out of this, but I have a feeling it's going to be a pain in the ass. They're talking about liberty buddies and logs while in our home port

As for the buddy who got the ride, I can't really hold him responsible. It was his birthday and he was trashed. He didn't know night from day when he got home. My roomate was meant to be the DD for him. Luckily I chose not to go out and called it an early night due to duty the next day. So I'm not getting drug into this mess.

[Talon37]

Welp, we had such a problem at our base in alaska that they implemented the rule that it would be an automatic discharge. It can go that far. Ironicly enough they only pulled that rule after a pilot got caught. The mother fukker didn't even get busted down in rank. Fukkin officers and the double standard.

Anyways, sorry to ehar your gettin butt fukked outta the deal. Start looking for another roommate.

[Blue Vainer]

Which base are you at? I know when I was at whidbey island the base would post the last commands name that got the last dui on the side of the road for all to see just before you drove out the gate. That sucked pretty bad... It usually had the squadron and the skippers name right there for all to look at. Is it a base skipper, boat skipper or squadron skipper.... Not that it matters much.... Don't worry about the $$ for rent you can just get another dude to move in too...... Blue Vainer.

[FailureByDesign]

let us KnoW what happened to your buddy

[didlysquat]

Originally Posted by Talon37

Welp, we had such a problem at our base in alaska that they implemented the rule that it would be an automatic discharge. It can go that far. Ironicly enough they only pulled that rule after a pilot got caught. The mother fukker didn't even get busted down in rank. Fukkin officers and the double standard.

Anyways, sorry to ehar your gettin butt fukked outta the deal. Start looking for another roommate.

Officers very rarely get busted down in rank - regardless of the offense.

Usually, a letter of reprimand, loss of pay, and a very poor evaluation report is enough to end a career, or at least it's enough to get an officer passed over for promotion.

I don't necessarily approve of the command reversing their policy just because a pilot was the one who was caught. But I'd rather be enlisted and get busted down in rank, than be an officer with a letter of reprimand and a bad eval. Why? Because as enlisted, you can very easily get back on track, make rank, and make a good career, even with the mess-up. As an officer, one screw up, even though you didn't get "busted down", usually means you aren't going any further up the food chain - which would suck if you're not an 0-4 and dont' have tenure.

Anyway, both sides have their pros and cons.

[westgeronimo22]

im in the army yes the night/day standard fucking suxxx when you get shitty pay lousy walter reed benefits that makes it way worse! i get busted down for working my ems job nights n weekends for the extra money!after you see all the bullshit you just get pissed! Q.why cant a guy get ahead in the military without being held back?A.as long as you get busted for as much petty to moderate shit as possible you will never be a threat to that o-3-4 position. same shit happens with the e-1-4 with lower ranking nco's e-5-6. when you see the policy change to fit the situation like your battle buddy getting busted that hard. if it was an officer they would have given him a fucking ride from the gate.please dont take what i say the wrong way if you fuck up we will help you,if you fuck up alot we will dispose of you in the harshest way that has been my observation for the past 9 years. policy never dictates people's behavior very well it just helps them hide their actions and intent better

[UH60/R6 Pilot]

okay fellas... I can only speak for the Army, and I will run this small disclaimer "I do not know everything this is merely my experience". Now, what you all have said is not completely true about what goes on with Officers and DUI's. Officers losing rank is not the same situation as an enlisted Soldier losing rank. Those promotions/demotions are approved by Battalion Commanders who are O-5, locally. Officer promotions are approved by DA and depending on what rank they are must be approved by upper levels of civilian government, up to General Officers being approved by the President himself. Enlisted promotions have no such approval process. In order to demote an Officer the same approval process is the same. As was stated earlier a poor OER and a General Officer letter of reprimand is plenty enough to ensure that the Officer in question is passed over for promotion and put out of the Army. There is no getting that career back on track. Period. If in Command he will be relieved of Command put on a shitty staff job until he is out of the Army. As a pilot, if I get a DUI I have already taken my last flight as a pilot in an Army helicopter. No questions asked. I will never fly another Army aircraft. The comment about Officers getting a ride from the gate if they show up drunk... I say bullshit. I have never seen, nor heard of this being done. I was an MP for 6 years when I was enlisted, and have been a Warrant Officer for 5 years. Never have I seen that done. Who is going to do that for an Officer? The enlisted Soldier who, by your comments, hate Officers due to the double standard? Do you all think that the PFC working the gate on his friday/saturday night is going to do any Officers a favor and perpetuate that double standard that is being spoken about? Like I said, in 6 years as an MP and 5 as a Pilot I have NEVER even heard of an Officer getting a break on a DUI. This tenure bullshit that was mentioned does not exist in the Army. The only thing close works for all Soldiers regardless of rank. If you have 18 years in service then damn near nothing you do can force you out of the Army, you are almost guaranteed to retire at 20. As far as the kid who started this thread and his buddy who was busted for a DUI.... good, bust his ass for it. If he was driving while intoxicated he should have his ass busted, and his security clearance revoked if he had one. (I personally revoked 2 Officer's clearances on Ft. Benning in the past 3 years for this same offense.) That young man obviously has the decision making skills of a 3 year old. Driving drunk and KNOWING YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THE GATE!?!?!? is fucking retarded. Bubbgimp himself said that this is not the first time this kid has done this. Again, this kid should fry for this and the ones he didn't get caught for. This will be the third time that I mention that I was enlisted and I have not forgotten what it was like to be the one that was doing the majority of the labor. Now as a pilot I still do more than my fair share of the work because I remember what it was like, and am held to a different standard by the chain of command because I am an officer. If anyone wants to discuss this further please feel free to PM me. --Brian

[R0d]

Originally Posted by Talon37

Welp, we had such a problem at our base in alaska that they implemented the rule that it would be an automatic discharge. It can go that far. Ironicly enough they only pulled that rule after a pilot got caught. The mother fukker didn't even get busted down in rank. Fukkin officers and the double standard.

Anyways, sorry to ehar your gettin butt fukked outta the deal. Start looking for another roommate.

When I was stationed in Alaska if one person in the PLT got an alchol related isadent the PLT SGT had a recall at the MP Station snd everybody had to remain in formation until the MP Desk SGT could put everybody on the intoxilizer. The PLT SGT theory was one person can not mess up this bad on his own and somebody failed him. Damn Striker BDE (423) was in the blotter 3x a week for stupid shiot.


When I was stationed in Hawaii, the artillery unit had a sign in the interence of their quad that stated how many days that they were dui free. I thought that was some funny shiot right there.

[westgeronimo22]

i have never seen this with warrant officers.(ft rucker (dui) i im not just talking dui only here. as far as the mp'sare concerned the hardly ever get called they handel everything in house. that is why we have the little thing called a scandal. watergate ring a bell?????? if an officer stands to get into trouble it is swept under the rug alot. hell look at all the shit from walter reed, ft leonardwood drill sgt's sleeping with recruits , across the pond officers getting let off the hook in iraq and, his troops get punished for shooting up the town on his fkn order . then the commanding officer says oops its those guys problems and it fkn flys over. but noooooo one had a clue we didnt see it on our watch we dont have no idea that went on its worldwide with every branch. dont get me wrong there are good officers out there that do the right thing but they are few and far between. same as there are good enlisted that learn from their mistakes and dont need to do the same shit twice to learn the lesson.

[UH60/R6 Pilot]

westgeronimo22... I can tell you of 3 WO1's that I knew personally get tossed out of flight school and their WO1 bars taken from them for DUI at Ft. Rucker. We had saturday PAI inspections at 0700 the next week every time. 1200 WO1's at the post theater. Think I am bullshitting? I will gladly put you in touch with the now CW5 that was the IERW Chief while I was at Flight School. MP's not getting involved with Officer's involved with DUI's? Wrong again. In my expereince they have always gotten involved when drunk people try to enter post at the gate, Officer, NCO, Enlisted alike... no distinction was made. The bullshit going on at Walter Reed is a travesty... MG George Weightman was my BDE CDR during OIF II, he was a BG at the time. He was extremely concerned for our safety and seemed to truly care. I say this not because I personally know the man because I don't, other than him being a passenger in my aircraft on a couple of occasions, but I say this because of his actions while there. I can not say one way or another whether what happened at Walter Reed was his fault, but I will say this: he had been in Command for barely 6 months. LTG Kiley had that command for 3 years and had been the Surgeon General of the Army since. He knew about the problems and let them go. I do think that those Officers as well as the former Secretary of the Army are being held accountable for their actions. Maybe them all being fired and forced to retire was not good enough for you. Please tell me more about these Officers that are getting off the hook in Iraq. Everything that I have seen officially when Officers have overstepped their bounds and done illegal, immoral, or unethical things they have been punished. I do not see the world through rose colored glasses. I understand that there are issues, and nothing is perfect, however the system dies the most good for the most people. I can not disagree with you more that good Officers are far and few between. In your post you make it sound like if an Officer makes a mistake they should fry for it, but Enlisted Soldiers that make mistakes get a slap on the wrist and get to learn from that mistake nearly punishment free? Is that correct? What ever happened to the NCO being the backbone of the Army? Did that go the way of the dodo bird when HRC started lowering promotion points to allow Soldiers to be promoted? It is the job of both the more senior Officers as well as the NCOs to train those young LT's and CPT's. Most Warrants were enlisted, the ones that weren't are policed by other Warrants... we will take care of our own. We will also help to train the LT's and CPT's, but NCO business is NCO business. That shit about CDR's telling Soldiers to execute a certain order is not written in stone. You are taught from Bsaic Training on that if the order is not legal, ethical and moral then you shall not obey it. So in a sense if he does give that order and you obey it then it is on you as well as him. Or do I have this confused with something else? As far as the Watergate Scandal is concerned it was a scandal. It was also in 1972... 35 years ago. It also involved the frigging CIA not the Army. Erlichman and Haldeman both went to jail and it also resulted in President Nixon resigning just prior to impeachment. Who wasn't punished during that scandal? Hell that punishment went all the way to the President. I really do not see where you were going with you arguements as to why this kid that has repeatedly driven drunk should not be punished to the full exten of the UCMJ. If he had been one of my Soldiers when I was an NCO I would not only punish him but I would punish everyone that was drinking with him that night. If they can't be trusted to take care of each other at home then how in the F&$! can they be trusted to take care of each other while in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else? I do not get your logic.