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http://www.dirtrodders.com/wheelie.html
http://www.superstreetbike.com/stunt...k_street_bike/
How to wheelie.
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http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=72404
Here is the URL and sample of the thread starters Question, most of them have multiple responses, so please read them.
Wheelie How-To: Stand-ups
Many people have asked the secret to doing standup wheelies. The truth is, there is no secret. IMO they are safer than sit-downs and look better as well, but need to be learned more slowly. All examples assume you’re using an 03-06 stock R6 and weight within 40lbs of 150lbs
Before you even think of trying to learn standups, ask yourself:
-Am I ready to put my life at risk on a motorcycle?
-Do I know the fundamentals of proper braking, engine braking, and riding?
-Do I have 3k riding experience, enough to be comfortable tossing the bike around?
-Am I comfortable with the front wheel off the ground under hard acceleration?
-Do I have access to a smooth open road with no major defects, objects to impact directly on either side of the road, little/no traffic, and not subject to heavy police traffic? (The freeway is never an acceptable place to learn to stunt)
-Do I have balls of steel (or at least a hard plastic)?
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Holding the BP question?
Alrighty, I got a chance to ride the other day when i got up to 50 here, and i was practicing my 2nd gear clutch ups, and i can pop it up every time. But i realized my issue is, when i get to what i feel is the balance point, or just in general trying to slow the ascension of the front end, by slightly letting off the throttle, no matter how slight my closing of the throttle is, its just too much and causes the front end to just drop. The ones that i can ride out longer seem to be the ones that i bring up slower, and by slower i mean, just enough clutch to get it up in the air and then using acceleration to bring the front end higher.... Am i supposed to be able to let off the throttle just enough to hold it at balance point, or should i practice bringing it up slower?? To me it always seems like i have more than enough rise from the front end than i need and i need to let off the throttle to keep myself from looping it.
After reading above, I realize what i wrote isnt really very concise. I guess my real question is, which is the right way.
1) Using just the clutch to bring it right to the bp or slightly behind it and then letting of the throttle slightly to stop the upward rise?
or
2)Using the clutch to bring the bike below the bp and then using some throttle play and acceleration to bring it up the rest of the way to the BP?
Thanks,
Sorry if this is difficult to read through, it was hard to put"instinctive-feels like" type stuff into words
Nick
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Clutch me!!
Damn guys, what the hell does it take to get a stock R6 at BP. I mean as far as rpm's. I'll clutch up 1st rolling at 15-20mph and hit 10K and it only comes up a foot. Maybe, and I mean maybe two feet. I know it takes more than 7k or some shit like that but I find it hard to rev higher than 10K for some reason. Does it just need more RPM or am I missing something?
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60-111 mph sitdowns
I was riding with a guy today who can't seem to keep his front wheel down and it seems like that is your best bet to learn to wheelie... but anyways, in second gear clutching it up at like 60 mph and running it up to 90 when the wheel comes back down seems way more easy than the 40 mph clutch up
Now I gotta practice getting 3rd gear up
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3rd gear wheelie
im having some problems gettin 3rd gear, i try to bounce it and i can get the front about 1 foot off the ground but thats it. Im 6'1 so i cant use the back peg, anyone have any suggestions?
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2nd gear wheelie, From: noobie - To: noobie
this applies to 05 models. if your learning 2nd gear clutch ups, try this.
Ok so after a little pratice with a few members, and lot more after by myself, i found the technique that works for me. I have tried it all on 2nd gear, bounce, clutch, sitting, standing.. And until now, I was like every other noobie in here (i know, i still am), searching for the best way to pop a wheelie which we all know is by clutchin.
I have been doing 1-3 ft second gear clutch ups (sitting) for about 2 months now.
Consistent as hell too. Ill rev it up, pop the clutch, and ride the 2 ft mono tone wheelie for a few feet. Then today, i finally tried another way to clutch.
As we all know there are 2 ways to clutchm up.
1. go around 45-55 or what ever speed u like in 2nd gear, let off the throttle while pulling in clutch, hit the throttle to bring up RPM's and dump the clutch as the RPMS reach somewhere around 9-12k
2. cruise to about 45 or however fast u like, when the needle reaches about 45, hit the gas real hard then quickly stab the clutch in and out.
Most people do it the fist way. thats how i have been trying. I tried #2 every now an then but stayed away from it because it seemed confusing. Then today, i had an idea and tried this.
3. 2nd gear, sitting, cruise to 50 mph. When the needle hits 50, hit the throttle far as your wrist will turn as fast as possible,.. and at the same time stab the clutch in and out as fast as possible. Do both at the exact same time at 50 mph and both as fast as possibe. This doesnt mean smoothly turn the throttle, it means turn your wrist all the way it can turn fast as hell, and stab the clutch with the blink of an eye. All exactly at the same time at 50mph. It sounds complicated, but its the easiest way to clutch up 2nd sitting IMO by far.
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2nd gear wheelies help
ive been reading all the posts about this and i am one of those that cant get it to come up. Ive got the 1st gear down power up and clutchin it up and everyone says second is way easier. is it possible to do it without using the clutch with just a bounce up and the right timing? any input would be awesome. i want to stand it up in 2nd BAD!
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wheelie what the f is wrong
After riding for 5 k miles I have resently started wheelies on my 00 r6. Jesus it comes up exactly like it is told in first gear. I don't know if Iam hitting the BP but I can ride up on one from below 10 mph to 60ish in first and it feels like Iam flouting during the acceleration. I don't think Iam hitting the BP cause I never hit a constant speed just get insane acceleration on one wheel after slipping the clutch and comming up. Btw I do this as a sit down not a stand up. Can someone let me know what I can do to hit the BP if iam not doing it already.
Now I tried everything I read on this forum to try and get up in second gear but IT WILL NOT COME UP. I know it can and ppl do it all the time but I just don't know how and why mine will not lift. Ppl are saying it is easier than first gear and I am just ready to break something because no matter how hard I try it will not come up. The only time it even lifted maybe 1 foot was when I was going 70 and went WOT after slipping the clutch. I know the r6 even has the power to do it but I don't know wtf i am doing wrong. I tried bouncing + clutching with no luck.
One more thing, in an act of desperation I am thinking of just shifting from first to second during the wheelie, I read this is not a good idea. Can someone explain if this is common, bad or what. All I can think of is that the rear might lock or the shift might be really rough and toss me.
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3rd gear clutch-ups
Ive gotten pretty good riding out 2nd gear clutch up wheelies on my stock geared 02. I read about people bouncing/clutching up wheelies doing 70 mph in 3rd gear, I really cant see how my 6 has enough torque to bring it up. I just got back from trying it and I just couldnt get it to do anything. Describe how you guys bounce and clutch it at the same time please...
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Balance point and rear brake useage ?
Its funny how easy speed wheelies are now to me. Compared to slow wheelies. However i don't like going so fast all the time when im doing a wheelie. So ive been doing second gear clutch ups at 35mph. I am getting em quite high and i am slowing them down. But i am still gaining speed. I do have my foot on the rear brake the entire time
So my question is ..........
Do you guys just cover the rear brake or are you useing it every so slightly when youve got it way jacked up high as a means to keep youself slower ?
The balance point must be 12 oclock. Cause i have it just about straight up and im still gaining speed.
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wheelies by changing sprocket size
I got a question for u guys:
Wheelies in 1st gear are real torquey making it really easy to flip it.
So if I go down 1 in the front sprocket it gives more torque and less speed at the top end.So then bringing it up on 2nd should be easier.
My question is that wont it then make it just as torquey in 2nd gear with the smaller front sprocket as it originally was with the factory sprocket in 1st?
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for those who tank wheelie the r6
this is being a really hard thing for me to learn...i ride with one of my friends on a gixxer who does it all the time and he trys to give me pointers and stuff...i just can't do it...plus the tank on the r6 is really rounded so i slide off...anyone who is doin this what gear are you in? clutchin or bounce? how do u position urself?? thanx for any help
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4th gear wheelie!!!
Got it up I didn't get to balance point but I still rode it out about about 1/4 mile. Went up smooth as hell. I geared the bike down one tooth in the front. Is it possible for a 5th gear wheelie with this gearing?
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Tips for switching to staggered stance
I tried staggered stance 2nd gear bounce up's today. I have to say that the bike comes up alot easier.
But, it seems harder to get my legs straight and not have the bike drift off. Is there some trick to this? Do you feel yourself doing something different?
Thanks in advance
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Originally Posted by Sean714
I have never crashed while doing a wheelie also..... but I did read this before I started...maybe thats why???????
For a wheelie to occur, torque must be applied to the bike such that it rotates around the rear axle, the speed at which the bike accelerates around the axle being determined by the amount of torque applied.
Figure 1
Torque is defined as mass x distance. Figure 1 shows the torque derived from gravity and acceleration acting on the mass of the bike. The diagram shows the center of gravity (CoG) of the bike which we'll use to pinpoint the bike's mass. Note that this looks higher than it should - what's missing from the diagram is the mass of the rider. Regardless, the principles remain the same wherever the actual CoG should be.
Fg is the force asserted by the bike's mass as a result of gravity. The torque - Tg - around the rear axle that this produces is Fg x Dg where Dg is the distance from the axle at which the force acts.
Fa is the force asserted by the bike's mass as a result of acceleration. The torque - Ta - that this produces is Fa x Da.
Fe is the effective force that results when Fg and Fa are combined. De is the distance from the rear axle at which this force is applied, so the resultant effective torque - Te - is Fe x De.
Put another way:
(Fe x De) = (Fa x Da) - (Fg x Dg)
or:
Te = Ta - Tg
Animated figure
In Figure 1 the effective torque around the rear axle is torwards the front, so the net effect is to keep the front wheel on the ground. Figure 2 shows the situation if the bike accelerates harder which, in turn, increases Fa and, hence, Ta.
In Figure 2 the effective torque around the rear axle is towards the rear so the front wheel will lift. But this isn't the end of it:
Figure 3 shows the situation a short while later with the bike doing a small wheelie. The bike's acceleration is kept the same as in Figure 2, but now the rotation of the bike has reduced the torque due to gravity and, at the same time, the torque due to acceleration has increased. The net effect is that the effective torque around the rear axle has increased by a large amount, thus increasing the rate at which the bike wheelies. This positive feedback means that, unless the bike's acceleration is quickly reduced, the wheelie will rapidly get to the point where recovery is not possible.
Engine power, per se, is not a significant factor in wheelies. Let's be pessimistic and suggest that the torque due to gravity acting on the CoG is a mere 150kg/m. A reasonably powerful 1200cc bike might produce 70lb/ft or torque, which sounds a lot but translates to 9.7kg/m. Enough to get the suspension working is all it amounts to.
Where engine power is important is in its ability to accelerate the bike. On smaller bikes the sustainable acceleration isn't sufficient to apply enough torque to lift the front wheel. However, using tricks such as 'dipping' the clutch or tugging on the handlebars, a brief burst of extra torque can be applied for a short time. This extra torque is not sustainable but, as we can see above, once the CoG has moved up and back a much lower torque (that is, acceleration) is required to sustain a wheelie.
That should clear up all the confusion |
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