Back Protectors, Testing, and CE Standards

[number9]

I was wondering the other day what ever became of you Good thread they had going on over on the link you provided. John seemed to be holding his own under some pretty good fire. I liked the crash review link he posted from cbrworld.

http://forums.cbrworld.net/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=60431

[linjy2]

heres mine, i originally was gonna get the knox brand but for the price vg offered under groubbuy it was a no brainer for me, $160ish vs $50. me, equal impluse buyer haha.

havnt rode with it yet, but fits perfect. ordered it last week too. fast shipping, great email response.

[James-NSC]

Here is a Knox KC2000X1 Tour for comparison. Note the kidney and shoulder blade coverage that is not present in the one above. Also note that the straps on this are not accurate, this is a pic of the one that the paramedics cut off me.

[masonboy]

are those metal rivets on the VG back protector?

[linjy2]

nope they are plastic, and the vg do have kidney protection, just no shoulder.

still havnt had time to ride with them on yet, so dunno if they are comfortable on long rides.

[license2ill]

Got another reply from Satra regarding verification of the Velocity Gear certification:

"Certificate 1889 has been issued to a company called Cobija Industries for a back protector reference CI-B- 31121975.

The protector meets the higher impact level 2. I cannot give you specific test data without the express permission of the manufacturer.

The EC type examination procedure requires that we examine a technical dossier (the technical file) for the product and supporting test data to confirm that minimum legal performance requirements are met. In this case SATRA conducted the tests on examples of initial production. The manufacturer is then obliged to maintain the production consistency and quality to the same level. In Europe their is no mandatory involvement of the Notified Body to check any on going production."

[license2ill]

Came across this bit about Dainese impact protectors including their various back protectors:

Dainese Protector Info
by Michael Sierchio <ducatista@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 20, 2004 at 03:27 PM

The following is from the Information Sheet supplied
by Dainese. Note that several of their back protectors
fail to meet even the CE Level 1 standard for protection
(<= 18kN max. avg. transmitted force w/ 50J impact).
Those failing are marked in the first and last column
with "XXXXXX" -- and some are popular items. Only the
RIP 1 and RIP 2 back protectors achieve Level 2 performance.

The Level 1 standard for other protectors is <= 35kN
for an impact of 50J. Level 2 is <= 35kN w/75J, Level
3 is <=35kN w/100J.


Protector Code Position Tech. Ref. Std. kN / 50J

PA D Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA SJ AIR Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA SJ WAVE Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA TECHNO 06 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 24
PA TECHNO 07 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 22
PA11 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA12 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA15 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA16 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA18 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA19 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PB SJ AIR Elbow EN 1621.1/97 18
PB TECHNO 04 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 20
PB/PC D Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB11 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB13 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB14 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 24
PB16 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB18 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PC 19 Knee EN 1621.1/97 24
PC PROF Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC TECHNO 03 Knee EN 1621.1/97 24
PC TECHNO 04 Knee EN 1621.1/97 21
PC14 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC16 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC21 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC22 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC24 Knee EN 1621.1/97 29
XXXXXX ANCHORAGE Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 30 XXXXXX
BAP 1 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000.4 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000.5 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000.6 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000/8 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000/9 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 3 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
XXXXXX BAP 4 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 30 XXXXXX
BAP G.FLASH Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP J.2003 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP Z01 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BOY 4 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BOY 5 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
F WAVE.23 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.36 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.40 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.44 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.48 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
G WAVE.1 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
G WAVE.2 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
G WAVE.3 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
GILET 806.7 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
GILET SPACE. Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
GILET SPACE. Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
GILET SPACE. Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
RIP 1 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 6
RIP 2 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 6
XXXXXX SJ AIR.7 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 25 XXXXXX
XXXXXX SJ AIR.8 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 25 XXXXXX
SJ SPACE.1 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SJ SPACE.2 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SJ SPACE.3 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
XXXXXX SPACE G.1 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 24 XXXXXX
XXXXXX SPACE G.2 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 24 XXXXXX
SPACE S Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 14
SPACE T.1 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE T.2 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE T.3 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE.1 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE.2 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE.3 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
WAVE T.1 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE T.2 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE T.3 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE Z01 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE.1 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16
WAVE.2 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16
WAVE.3 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16
WAVE.S Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16


All of their back protectors except the new folding model(RIP,Paaraschiena Ridgeable) that meet the requirements barely pass the minimum standard according to these stats.

[number9]

Great info - Keep it coming we riders need info like this to make informed decisions about the gear we stap on.

Can't thank you enough for all your exhaustive research and information.

[yuletak]

So what happened to the replies?

Velocitygear, or John Franklin, is it still possible to get some of the protectors at the discounted price?

[number9]

Bump for the newbies