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Old 01-30-2004, 10:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 01-31-2004, 01:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Awesome post!!!

Couple of questions....

Do you know of a site which defines the CE1261-2 standard?

I try not to buy stuff which does not meet the CE standard and I bought an all weather Dianese jacket after checking it had CE ratings. However after reading this post I rechecked my back protectors, Dianese jacket has one biult in. I've also got an AXO back protector and it meets the EN 1621-2 standard, however the back protector in my Dianese jacket is EN 1621-1 BAP3 NOT EN 1621-2 which, according to this post, is the standard for back protectors. So my long winded question is: Does the EN 1621-2 standard cover back protectors which are built into jackets or do they have to be a seperate peice to get the EN 1621-2 rating?
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Old 01-31-2004, 05:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Here are two sites that give explanations of CE testing and the requirements, they are also cited in my original post and written by Paul Varnesssy of PVA Technicla File Services, a leading CE consulting group in Britain.

www.pva-ppe.org.uk/PART%2...LAINED.htm

www.bmf.co.uk/briefing/in....inc.shtml
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Old 02-02-2004, 11:21 PM   #14 (permalink)
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this should be a sticky post. luna....
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Old 02-07-2004, 11:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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www.actionstation.com which is the US distributor of Bohn products, is now offering the T-pro Forcefield protectors for $119. Looks like a steal to me. In the clearance section it shows size small for $109.
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Old 02-14-2004, 03:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
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the back protector in my Dianese jacket is EN 1621-1 BAP3 NOT EN 1621-2 which, according to this post, is the standard for back protectors. So my long winded question is: Does the EN 1621-2 standard cover back protectors which are built into jackets or do they have to be a seperate peice to get the EN 1621-2 rating?
I didn't catch the exact nature of your question initially. The 1621-2 standard is new, as of last year, so basically all older designs weren't required to pass the 18kN limit that the new 1621-2 requires. I'm not sure if the older model BAP protector would pass the requirements or if Dainese has upgraded it to passing levels, and I'm not sure that they are even maznufacturing them anymore, or if they are not selling them for motorcycling-use anymore.

As Paul Varnsverry points-out in the excerpt I posted in my original post, some distributors may have old stock, and some old models may not pass the requirements of the new standard.

I have found info that states that the BAP protectors are CE approved from a distributor's website, that I believe is up-to-date, but I am not positive about that info being correct in reference to the 1621-2 standard which came into effect in early 2003, or if the protectors are prior to 2003 models. It is unfortunate that Dainese doesn't offer better info themselves on their website. Not all manufacturers complied quickly, and apparently the laws have been somewhat loosely enforced or misunderstood, and it takes time to prosecute violators under this kind of legislation.

I have gathered and attempted to interpret as much information as I can, but I urge everyone that reads my post to verify the details of each manufacturer's products that you are interested in, in order to have a clear understanding of what you are purchasing.

The transisition stages for the maunfacturers, which has been this past year, is the most confusing as far as knowing which models comply, which one's are old stock, which one's would comply if simply required to test, and which one's are claiming to comply, but haven't even been tested.

This is also a question I have about the Alpinestars RC inserts, as the ad copy makes no reference to the 1621-2 standard, as it does wiht the Tech protector. After also hearing of a distributor that stated they are not available anymore, I am not so sure as to the RC being certified to the new standard either. If you are interested in it, I would verify that it is actually rate to the proper standard before buying.

Also, the Spidi Airback models distributed by Lockhart Phillips. I'm not sure if the Airback models in the US are properly rated either, as I have heard that they have been updated, but were not new for 2003 in th US. This could mean that we were still getting a version that was not properly rated either. I have not had any verification of that, so again, check it out, as it is a possibility.

As I've said before, all of these question marks and confusing information could be put to rest with a standard for the US market, or at least to start with the willingness of only accepting the highest standards available.

And when you have companies like Bohn allowed to illegally use the CE label without any repercussions we have absolute chaos, as we can't even trust that these standards are being met legally, or that if we are being outright lied to about the effectiveness and meaning of the label.


Ok, I guess I'm done :b
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Old 02-14-2004, 05:39 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I bought a Spidi Airback recently and it is rated to the EN1621-2 standard and transmitted a tested 12.2kN.

The older Spidi foam back protectors are only rated to the EN1621-1 standard and are as much use as a folded up newspaper :rolleyes
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Old 03-21-2004, 03:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Hello.

I would like to offer some body armor to help get the word out. I realize some may consider this spam, if so please let me know and I will remove the post.....as long as majority rules...

Anyway, I have available a new body armor that is en1621-2 LEVEL 2 compliant. You know, the good stuff...

All armor is labeled to the new standard (en-1621-2) and is similiar to Dainese in overall look. However, looks are where the differences end.

Our retail price is going to be $159.00 w/free shipping when our website finally launches (however, it's not ready due to other product problems). I would like to offer this new armor to get the name out for $90.00 each plus applicable shipping.

If you're interested please send an email to sales@highvelocitygear.com for further details.

Thank You
JF
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Old 03-21-2004, 06:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Pictures of the product to share? One question and not meant in any bad way at all - put yourself in my place and answer it => Why should I spend $90 + shipping for a no-name, un-heard-of product when I plan to spend $120 + shipping on the T-Pro Forcefield Back which is reported as being one of the best/highest rated back protectors on the market?

The protection of my spine is certainly worth the extra $30. Why should I take the risk of paying $90 + shipping for a product that I can't see a picture of and haven't spoken to anyone who owns one - if I buy it and don't like it I am stuck with it and could have put that $90+ toward the one I wanted in the first place.

Again - I don't mean this in a bad way, just asking honest questions.
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Old 03-22-2004, 12:09 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Good Question.

If you email me I can provide some preliminary pic's of the product. I can also provide pic's of the certification label.

The T-Pro is just a back protector, right?

The armor I am offering is a complete jacket, with elbow guards, chest protection, kidney belt, etc. Similiar to Dainese, except for a higher CE rating and a reasonable price.

And if all else fails I can offer a money back guarantee....
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