"counter steering"

[rSix04]

so i was watching speed on 2 wheels the other day and they talked about counter steering. you push on the handle bars the opposite diection of where u want to go and supposely the bike will lean. i only do that when im on low speed trying to avoid something. i didnt know u can do that in high speed. maybe im doing it but not know it. normally when i go into a corner fast i ust my the bike over with my body. i guess my guestion is how much do u push on the handle bars? the more u push the more it leans? or do u push and lean at the same time?

[dakh]

Would be pretty hard to impossible to do any steering mid-corner with just weight transfer. Say you're in a blind turn and there's a sofa that fell off the truck in the middle of the road when you come around. What do you do? Push-lean-turn. Not that I've mastered it of course.

The hardest part for me so far is to trust the tire will hold. I intuitively counder-lean (lean outside the turn) when the bike is tipped via steering input, which is bad bad bad. Have to fight it all the time. On the other hand, if I tuck in leaning into the turn and forward just before handlebar input is pretty natural.


You're likely pushing the handlebars already without realizing it. Just go out and simply watch what your hands are doing.

[Nas19320]

If the bike is leaning over at speed you are countersteering whether you realize it or not. At very slow speeds is the only time countersteering doesn't work.

[fjman]

Do a search, this has been discussed a billion times.

[AwwsChwA]

Originally Posted by Nas19320

If the bike is leaning over at speed you are countersteering whether you realize it or not. At very slow speeds is the only time countersteering doesn't work.

Do a google search for Kieth Code's motorcycle schools. He has a whole article on one of the main pages where he talks about how he actually built a bike that cannot steer, the wheel is locked straight ahead. He did this becuz he got tired of people being convinced that a motorcycle steered by leaning rather than countersteering. He had those people get on that bike and try to turn it. NO ONE was able to make it turn with just leaning except one guy who wrestled the bike into a very sloppy, loose arc.

Countersteering causes leaning. The opposite is not true.

[RockStar6]

Originally Posted by fjman

Do a search, this has been discussed a billion times.

+1

you are doing it without realizing it. i promise.

[Nas19320]

Originally Posted by AwwsChwA

Do a google search for Kieth Code's motorcycle schools. He has a whole article on one of the main pages where he talks about how he actually built a bike that cannot steer, the wheel is locked straight ahead. He did this becuz he got tired of people being convinced that a motorcycle steered by leaning rather than countersteering. He had those people get on that bike and try to turn it. NO ONE was able to make it turn with just leaning except one guy who wrestled the bike into a very sloppy, loose arc.

Countersteering causes leaning. The opposite is not true.

Are you disagreeing with me or clarifying what I stated? If the bike is leaning over, falling into the turns, then he is countersteering whether he knows it or not. I wasn't talking about body positioning, leaning off the bike, having an effect.

[fjman]

You can lean a bike without countersteering. In fact, you can fall off, if you'd like.

And it will make a large, gentle curve. To hit a decent turnin with any control at all, you countersteer, which is a way of forcing lean.

And you can indeed countersteer at walking speed. It's just a very easy way to fall off the bike, becuase it makes you lean very quickly.

[jdoggg1]

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/s...hlight=counter

[AwwsChwA]

Originally Posted by Nas19320

Are you disagreeing with me or clarifying what I stated? If the bike is leaning over, falling into the turns, then he is countersteering whether he knows it or not. I wasn't talking about body positioning, leaning off the bike, having an effect.

I'm agreeing with you. He cannot be turning that bike with any semblance of control or smoothness without countersteering.