weight, lean and body postion?

[red998]

alright so there is a thread which has confused me with applying weight and lean in a high speed turn.
here is what i do: one buttcheek off the seat, i turn my inside shoulder forward and my weight falls mainly on the inside peg. i hang off with my outside leg gripping the outside frame and eyes look as far as i can thru the turn, head is straight. To sharpen the turn i push on the inside handle bar, and to reduce i push opposite bar. clutch is covered. i tried applying pressure on the outside peg but it felt awkward- unless i wasnt going fast enough, 70ish in a sharp radius turn. any feedback would be great. this is for country/back road riding.

i just want to ride "properly" and minimize risk and danger. thanks for feedback.

[Lonebrave]

Sounds like decent technique to me.

[deadman42069]

not so good if youre putting most of your weight on the inside peg. i know u said it feel awkward to put it on the outside but th inside is making it easier for u to lowside it. heres a link to another thread with the big peg weight discussion

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/s...1&page=5&pp=10

[Metcalfe]

the idea behind weighting the outside peg is using it as an ancor point. It lets you hold your outside leg on the bike which helps keep your arms loose, so it gives you more ability to push harder on the bars to steer instead of using the bars to hold on.
I weight the outside peg, and force my knee into the cutout in the tank.

[Lonebrave]

good points guys...been reading that other thread myself, too. Guess i never really thought about which peg I weight, but thinking about it, must be outside to anchor me while i'm hanging off. I guess I'll pay more attention to that from now on.

[Metcalfe]

Originally Posted by Lonebrave

good points guys...been reading that other thread myself, too. Guess i never really thought about which peg I weight, but thinking about it, must be outside to anchor me while i'm hanging off. I guess I'll pay more attention to that from now on.

you specifically said you weight the inside peg...
doing that isn't going to make the bike slip out from under you. All it does is give you less control over the bike because you're off balance, falling off the bike. That is exactly how I used to ride, and as soon as the bike looses traction, you fall off. If you're balanced and planted on the bike you have a better chance of staying on when it slides, and like I was saying above, it gives you alot more control at the bars, so you can point the bike better.

[Kaffee]

^^^ +1

[red998]

Originally Posted by Metcalfe

you specifically said you weight the inside peg...
doing that isn't going to make the bike slip out from under you. All it does is give you less control over the bike because you're off balance, falling off the bike. That is exactly how I used to ride, and as soon as the bike looses traction, you fall off. If you're balanced and planted on the bike you have a better chance of staying on when it slides, and like I was saying above, it gives you alot more control at the bars, so you can point the bike better.

but when i am hanging off the bike the majority of my weight is on the inside peg. i can try to put "muscular tension" on the outside peg, but the 2/3 of my body weight still falls on the inside peg. isnt cetrifugal force countering my weight? if i am leaning heavily, my velocity is high and so the cetrifugal forces going out would balance the equation. what you are saying does make sense if there is a slide involved. just want some clarification on the subject. the other forum is going hay wire IMO. the SSB instructor says one thing and no one is really giving much hard proof weighting the peg. thanks again guys.

[wentouch]

"weighting the pegs" is a figure of expression as it seems to be the easiest way to express the point.

the primary advantage of this technique over "stressing the inside" is just that, taking into consideration road conditions such as sliding as was mentioned initially especially since they usually cant be expected. all aside the physics bumbo jumbo, the argument circles back & turns to the initial statement.

countersteering is for steering

"weighting the peg" is for stability & balance

emphasis:

Originally Posted by wentouch

outside.

do you want to push the weight of the contact points onto the ground or kick the weight off the ground?

Originally Posted by wentouch

much of ur body weight is on the outer peg effectively balancin the bike at that angle by pushing the weight of ur body onto the bike pushin the sum of the weight onto the contact points onto the ground. due to gravity & newtons law, weight must always be focused top down.

Originally Posted by wentouch

if a rider were to put a bit more of his or her weight on the inside peg while hanging off that side he or she "can" tip the riders weight onto that side and also more onto that peg effectively "kickin" the contact points off the ground which can lead to a lowside by unbalancin the bike especially when taking into consideration road conditions.

Originally Posted by DealsGapR6

The Schwantz school teaches to put ALL weight on the outside peg for the duration of a corner. The reason for this is the effect of load it has on the tire. Summarized, a weighted outside peg pushes the tire downward into the track surface. A weighted inside peg pushes the tire laterally and reduces traction. At extreme lean angles, this IS an easy way to cause a crash. A large portion of steering and stability stems from what you do with your feet, and it should not be overlooked. I was being a bit dramatic to get the point across there, having the weight on the wrong peg does not guarantee a crash in every corner of course, but reduced traction and less stability are the result of doing it incorrectly, and the harder and faster you're riding, the less room for error you have and the tighter your technique will have to be. So yes, it could very well be the difference in crashing or not.

Originally Posted by Metcalfe

you specifically said you weight the inside peg...
doing that isn't going to make the bike slip out from under you. All it does is give you less control over the bike because you're off balance, falling off the bike. That is exactly how I used to ride, and as soon as the bike looses traction, you fall off. If you're balanced and planted on the bike you have a better chance of staying on when it slides, and like I was saying above, it gives you alot more control at the bars, so you can point the bike better.

my question is what type of hard proof do you people need? something that explicitly mentions "weighting the peg?" is there any "hard proof" that indicates that the optimal area to place a riders weight is the inside peg? what proof is better than experience and personal knowledge?

in addition, please summarize what exactly the ssb instructor has provided? i didnt see any argument which refutes the techique other than what u have mentioned; that u havent seen any hard proof of weighting the peg & it doesnt seem to work best for u. since he is an instructor, than by all means please provide an explanation, or hard proof, why the inside peg is more suitable or is this some type of information i have to pay for it to be revealed. that is my problem with his contentions in that thread. are the instructors prohibited from providing any type of instruction or info like the board was asked to remove the Twist of the Throttle pdfs that must be paid for as he requested. or is he just going to say that other techniques are not the best and their schools is better but u gotta pay to find out. or is it possible that he is just trying to get as much info as possible from the board and pawn if off as his schools tech to the students that must pay.

i am also willing to listen & try something new.

check out the same discussion on the ssb website. plenty of people ask this same question, yet no real answer is provided by any of the instructors of that school, although plenty of the members which are students of code provide pretty strong arguments for "weighting the peg." several of the members which appears to have taken the course does mention that Code appears to also recommend this technique learned in Level II and III of the coarse and in the book. further, mr. code does appear to read the site and comment. i dont see his objections either with what some of his students provide. i actually see quite a few threads in that section that are pretty consistent with this tech.

heres a post by a member of that forum which responds perfectly to ur question:

Originally Posted by M1Combat

Maybe you guys aren't accounting for centrifugal force?

Riding a bike is like giant slalom (or that's how Lee Parks put it anyway). Which ski do they ride? The outside one. With one "G" of lateral force it would become difficult to put a large percentage of your weight on the inside peg alone. I tend to think that a lot of the support of your weight comes from the inner thigh of the outside leg. I tend to not have hardly any weight on the inside peg at all. Most seems to naturally be in the outside peg and just above my knee/inner thigh on the outside leg. I tend to ride with my head low/forward/inside... Typically to the point that I couldn't see over the tank (or in my case my airbox...) if I tried.

Notice Rossi coming into corners... He sometimes doesn't even have his inside foot on the peg

how about skating? bicycling?

i apologize for the confusion and thickness. good luck!


is the explanation below by a css team member from the ssb site supporting the "inside peg" any more authoritive, have any substance or even make any sense?

I have talked about this on several forums specifically about traction. I weight the inside peg because it is under me, the outside is not.

I feel most guys who say they weight the outside peg are doing the pickup drill. If you try to weight the outside peg you inadvertently pick the bike up which does increase traction. Weighting the peg does not increase traction.

lol. so the outside peg is not under a rider? both pegs are under the rider! if not under, the outer peg is over him?

he then mentions that weighting the peg indvertently picks up the bike which does increase traction then goes on to say that weighting the peg does not increase action. so which is it? does it increase traction or not? lol 2x.

[Varg05R6]

I was taught to weight the outside peg for stability during corners, and sometimes to weight the inside peg just as you are turning to help lean the bike into the corner.

I don't like using the inside peg. I find pushing hard on the outside peg coming out of a corner helps get the bike upright that little bit quicker which allows me to put a greater percentage of power down sooner, resulting in greater drive, faster speeds, chequered flags, pit girls, million dollar contracts, etc...

I wish ;)