okay fellas... I can only speak for the Army, and I will run this small disclaimer "I do not know everything this is merely my experience". Now, what you all have said is not completely true about what goes on with Officers and DUI's. Officers losing rank is not the same situation as an enlisted Soldier losing rank. Those promotions/demotions are approved by Battalion Commanders who are O-5, locally. Officer promotions are approved by DA and depending on what rank they are must be approved by upper levels of civilian government, up to General Officers being approved by the President himself. Enlisted promotions have no such approval process. In order to demote an Officer the same approval process is the same. As was stated earlier a poor OER and a General Officer letter of reprimand is plenty enough to ensure that the Officer in question is passed over for promotion and put out of the Army. There is no getting that career back on track. Period. If in Command he will be relieved of Command put on a shitty staff job until he is out of the Army. As a pilot, if I get a DUI I have already taken my last flight as a pilot in an Army helicopter. No questions asked. I will never fly another Army aircraft. The comment about Officers getting a ride from the gate if they show up drunk... I say bullshit. I have never seen, nor heard of this being done. I was an MP for 6 years when I was enlisted, and have been a Warrant Officer for 5 years. Never have I seen that done. Who is going to do that for an Officer? The enlisted Soldier who, by your comments, hate Officers due to the double standard? Do you all think that the PFC working the gate on his friday/saturday night is going to do any Officers a favor and perpetuate that double standard that is being spoken about? Like I said, in 6 years as an MP and 5 as a Pilot I have NEVER even heard of an Officer getting a break on a DUI. This tenure bullshit that was mentioned does not exist in the Army. The only thing close works for all Soldiers regardless of rank. If you have 18 years in service then damn near nothing you do can force you out of the Army, you are almost guaranteed to retire at 20. As far as the kid who started this thread and his buddy who was busted for a DUI.... good, bust his ass for it. If he was driving while intoxicated he should have his ass busted, and his security clearance revoked if he had one. (I personally revoked 2 Officer's clearances on Ft. Benning in the past 3 years for this same offense.) That young man obviously has the decision making skills of a 3 year old. Driving drunk and KNOWING YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THE GATE!?!?!? is fucking retarded. Bubbgimp himself said that this is not the first time this kid has done this. Again, this kid should fry for this and the ones he didn't get caught for. This will be the third time that I mention that I was enlisted and I have not forgotten what it was like to be the one that was doing the majority of the labor. Now as a pilot I still do more than my fair share of the work because I remember what it was like, and am held to a different standard by the chain of command because I am an officer. If anyone wants to discuss this further please feel free to PM me. --Brian
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